When Shorts Were Short S3 E02 - David Hunt (editor of Scorcher, Battle, Speed, Eagle, Roy of the Rovers and more)

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we don't talk about it.

My guest for this episode is one of the finest comic editors to ever come out of the UK, David Hunt. David joined Fleetway in 1961, working on a couple of picture library titles before joining Tiger, then already one of the country’s biggest weekly titles, where he worked under its founding editor Derek Birnage.

By 1970, still only in his mid-20s, David became editor of the new football comic Scorcher, though it styled itself as a football paper, and it’s his years on that title, still my favourite all-time football comic/paper, that made him one of those people I absolutely had to speak to when setting up this show.

David and I had a long chat about his childhood, growing up in bomb-devastated East London just after the War’s end, his journey into comics, his influences, the Scorcher years that kickstarted a long editorial career, and which in the early 90s saw him caught in the eye of the storm after Roy of the Rovers finally folded in controversial fashion. David, as he tells us, was unfairly blamed for the storyline that saw Roy lose his famous left leg and 30 years on, get the chance to right that.

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When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we don't talk about it.

My guest for this Classic Kits episode is South American football historian Tim Vickery. For the last 25 years, Tim has been a staple of World Soccer Magazine, ESPN, Sports Illustrated and of course, the BBC’s cult radio show, The World Football Phone-In.

Tim chooses a selection of his favourite kits, which include a sash (you can’t beat a sash) and the history of the sash.

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When Shorts Were Short - S2 E10 GARY BAILEY

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we don't talk about it.

This week, I’m talking with Gary Bailey, the former Manchester United and England ‘keeper, son of Ipswich’s title-winning ‘keeper Roy and Gary himself, as we’ll hear, as part of Ron Atkinson’s very talented early to mid-80s side really should’ve had at least one league title winner’s medal of his own. He almost did, but not under Atkinson. The less stellar Dave Sexton side of 1979-80 almost landed a surprise title win in a neck and neck battle with Bob Paisley’s greatest Liverpool side, and had United claimed that unexpected title, the club’s modern history would’ve been very different.

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When Shorts Were Short - S2 E08 David Snowdon (Part 1 of 2)

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we don't talk about it.

This episode (part 1 of 2), a look at Alan Durban’s ultimately doomed efforts in the early 80s to help Sunderland’s then young side realise its immense promise. David Snowdon, author of Give Us Tomorrow Now, is the go-to authority on Alan Durban’s Sunderland tenure. His 2018 book looked at Durban’s arrival at Roker Park in the summer of ’81 and his attempt at waking one of English football’s eternal sleeping giants.

Durban, a title winner with Derby under Brian Clough and a future guest on this podcast, gave up his secure managerial post with Stoke for the North East and in this first part of our interview, David Snowdon tells us about Durban’s battle to lay down the foundations of future success in his opening season, the 1981-82 campaign, as the boardroom grew impatient with both manager and chairman.

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When Shorts Were Short - S2 E06 Steve Nicol

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we just don't talk about it.

The guest this week is former Liverpool and Scotland, well, what was he? He could play so many different positions. It’s Steve Nicol. Arriving from Ayr United for £300,000 in October 1981, a considerable sum in those days for someone not out of his teens for another couple of months, Nicol would have to wait until Joe Fagan succeeded Bob Paisley a couple of years later for his first team breakthrough. This was the norm at Liverpool in those days. The club were now entering their second decade dominating the English game and even the likes of Terry McDermott and Ray Kennedy, established first teamers at Newcastle and Arsenal respectively, had struggled to hold down a regular place in their first two seasons with the club after arriving in 1974.

(Technically speaking, the '91-92 season didn't involve 'short shorts', with Liverpool being early adopters of the revived baggy look.)

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When Shorts Were Short - S2: E02: Steve Hunt

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we just don't talk about it.

This week’s guest is former Villa, New York Cosmos, Coventry, West Brom and England midfielder Steve Hunt. Steve’s recently released autobiography, ‘I’m with the Cosmos’ looks back at a playing career that saw him overcome an early blow when the club he supported, Aston Villa, transferred him to that mythical NASL club New York Cosmos. This early blow of being let go by the club of his childhood was more than softened by his time in New York, a period that saw him play alongside Pele, Carlos Alberto, Franz Beckenbaur and the super confident Italian forward Giorgio Chinaglia.

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1977 Soccer Bowl

1978 NASL Play Offs

1978 Soccer Bowl  

Chelsea v New York Cosmos, Sept 1978

1980-81 Steve Hunt (Coventry) v Birmingham Goal of the Season

Coventry v West Ham League Cup Semi-Final 1st Leg, 1980-81

Scotland v England 1984

England v Soviet Union 1984

WBA v Coventry 1984-85

Aston Villa v Bradford City 1987-88

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Introducing the When Shorts Were Short Patreon Page

My retro football podcast When Shorts Were Short has this week returned for its second series, and will feature more big names from that pre-1992 world of football, former players and managers, as well as a host of outstanding football writers. Coinciding with the return of the show, in time for the new season (former Arsenal midfielder Paul Davis is the guest on S2 E01), is the launch of a Patreon page.

Supporters of the show will receive each new episode a fortnight early, as well as bonus content from some of those episodes and exclusive to Patreon standalone episodes. This Patreon page will help to cover the show’s costs and also help me to bring in whatever research materials are required for individual episodes.

Please visit patreon.com/shortswereshort to show your support.

If you’re not yet familiar with the show, you can find S1 here and via all other podcast providers.

Thank you.

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When Shorts Were Short - Euro '92

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we just don't talk about it.

The guest for this episode is Harry Harris. A seasoned watcher of the national team, Harry spent four decades writing for the London Evening News, Daily Mail, Daily Mirror, Daily and Sunday Express, among others, as well as writing something like 80 football-related books. Speaking just a few days before Euro 2020 kicked off, Harry joined me in looking back at where it went so wrong for England. The injuries, the retirements, the exclusions, oh, and the no little matter of the estrangement between the manager Graham Taylor and his captain and star player Gary Lineker. Lineker’s form under Taylor had arguably matched his early England form during the years when Glenn Hoddle was in the England side, but by the spring of ’92, with his fearsome pace perhaps no longer what it was and with a young Alan Shearer on the rise, Lineker’s place was not as secure as it had once been.

 

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Euro ’92 Goals

England v Denmark

England v France

England v Sweden

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When Shorts Were Short Ep 12

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we just don't talk about it.

This week’s guest is journalist and author Richard Sydenham whose book, Ticket to the Moon: Aston Villa, the Rise and Fall of a European Champion, details the steady rise of Aston Villa after their return to the old First Division under Ron Saunders in 1975, and the improbable success that followed, champions of England in ’81 and of Europe a year later, by which time Ron Saunders had resigned in dramatic fashion. It’s largely the story of the enmity between Doug Ellis, at the club for much of Saunders’ time, and Saunders, and how the club’s failure to recover from Saunders’ shock resignation led ultimately to their dramatic relegation just five years after lifting the European Cup. 

When Shorts Were Short Ep 11

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we just don't talk about it.

This week’s guest is writer Simon Hart. Simon is the author of ‘Here We Go: Everton in the 1980s: The Players’ Stories’, a fascinating look at the club during that decade. If you think about Everton in the 80s, understandably you recall their great mid-80s side which surely would’ve won the European Cup, probably more than once, had it not been for the post-Heysel ban. But it’s largely overlooked, at least by non-Evertonians, that that great ’84-87 era was sandwiched between two periods of significant decline.

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Simon Hart – ‘Here We Go’

Twitter @simon22ph

Simon’s Neville Southall column

deCoubertin Books

Oxford Utd v Everton, League Cup QF Jan 1984

Everton ‘Here We Go’ Wogan 1985

Everton v Bayern Munich, April 1985, ECWC SF 2nd Leg

(I think my recollection this was shown on ‘Sportsnight’ was misplaced. Martin Tyler commentary suggests it was actually shown on ITV’s ‘Midweek Sports Special’.

Everton v Sunderland, April 1985

 

When Shorts Were Short Ep 10

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we just don't talk about it.

This week’s guest is former Manchester City skipper Paul Power.  Paul speaks about doing a law degree while starting out at City. He looks back at the strong mid-70s City side that wasn’t far off the title in ’77. Then we look at the drama of the second Malcolm Allison era, the epic FA Cup run under John Bond and the semi-final freekick scored by the City captain which remains one of my favourite all-time goals. And we finish things off by looking at Paul’s switch to Everton. Success came to him late in his career, but once he got to Everton in the summer of ’86, Paul Power didn’t look out of place in one of Europe’s top sides.

When Shorts Were Short Christmas Special 2020

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

If the shorts weren't short, we just don't talk about it.

For the Christmas special, I'm joined by Barrie Tomlinson, Fleetway's legendary editor of Tiger and Roy of the Rovers, during the peak years of the old UK comics industry.

When Shorts Were Short - Ep 1

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It’s finally here.

When Shorts Were Short concerns itself solely with what was actually a very narrow window in football history when teams wore, well, short shorts. The podcast takes 1954 as its starting point, when Umbro made their first England kit with shorter shorts, to 1992, when short shorts were all but finished as Umbro's baggy shorts for Tottenham's new kit, ahead of the '91 FA Cup Final, quickly caught on.

 If the shorts weren't short, we just don't talk about it.

The guest on this first episode is Paul Walsh. The gifted south London-born forward made his debut aged just 16 for Charlton in 1979, and went on to play for Luton, where he won all five of his England caps, Liverpool and Spurs, before having two stints at Portsmouth via a hugely successful spell at Man City.